a_kleber | Отрицатели

"Вопрошатели" (геноцида) это такие люди, которые задаются вопросами и сомневаются, и попутно устанавливают новые и полезные факты. А "отрицатели" это такие люди, которые готовы вырыть из-под земли какой угодно тухлый и сто раз опровергнутый аргумент, и повторять его везде и всегда, как будто это твердо доказанная истина.

Как известно людям хоть раз коснувшимся, скажем, бесконечных дебатов вокруг Катыни - таких сто раз опровергнутых и тем не менее нисколько не увядающих аргументов существует очень много. Они вечно-живые и при этом очень тухлые. Хочу привести один пример такого аргумента на материале дебатов вокруг Сребреницы - так сказать, тезис и анти-тезис с разоблачением.

Вот есть такой автор с швейцарским гражданством, Александр Дорин, который недавно выпустил книгу по-немецки "Srebrenica — die Geschichte eines salonfahigen Rassismus" (Сребреница - история салонного расизма). Эту книгу уже радостно цитируют, но хочу обратить внимание на то, что говорит автор в одном своем интервью о книге - речь идет об известном негационистком мэме, призванном скомпроментировать достоверность "списков пропавших без вести" после падения Сребреницы. Характерно, что автор оперирует этим мэмом как проверенным фактом:

«“Srebrenica Victims” Voting

Q: Does your book offer additional evidence?

A: The book also presents evidence which shows 2,000 Muslim men who lost their lives in Srebrenica fell during the battles. In order to be able to claim that the “genocide” was committed, and since they didn’t have enough bodies to back the initial claim of 8,000 allegedly killed Muslims, they listed as Srebrenica victims a number of Bosnian Muslim fighters who died long before Srebrenica takeover, or were shot down in other battles during the civil war, from 1992-1995. The list of the alleged Srebrenica victims also contains the names of those who are still alive.

Q: You mean those who were later voting in the elections…?

A: That is correct. In the 1996 Bosnian elections, the electoral lists contained some 3,000 Bosnian Muslims who were also listed as “Srebrenica victims”. This further underlines the fact that so-called Hague Tribunal still has no evidence of “Srebrenica genocide”. Instead, they rely on the claims of Croat Dražen Erdemović, proven to be sheer lies, as Bulgarian reporter Germinal Civikov has demonstrated in his latest book.

Q: The Hague Tribunal does not believe so…?

A: Former NATO spokesman Jamie Shea stressed back in 1999 that, without NATO, there would be no Hague Tribunal to begin with. He asserted that NATO and the Hague Tribunal are “allies and friends”. Among others, the example which confirms his assertion is the case of [Colonel] Vidoje Blagojević, sentenced to a long prison term due to Srebrenica events, even though he is absolutely innocent and has done no harm to anyone. So, NATO is punishing its adversaries via the Hague Tribunal while, at the same time, it protects its allies.»

Далее в интервью он утверждает, что уже 14 лет глубоко исследует тему Сребреницы. Если так, то непонятно, каким образом он не заметил следующего исследования валидности списков, проведенного экспертами во время первого гаагского процесса по теме Сребреницы в 2000 году (Krstic). Конечно, можно уйти в глубокую конспирологию и сказать, что в Гааге никаких честных экспертов быть не может по определению, но почитав их выкладки, мне они показались вполне убедительными и добросовестными. Итак, вот что они пишут об этих пресловутых слухах о "3000 голосах мертвых":

«Attempts at undermining the ICRC list of missing persons

Finally, we have investigated several claims attacking the credibility of the ICRC list by Serbian institutions and individuals.

· Lacking the date of birth: “For 60 percent of people from the list there is no information such as date of birth, which is quite impossible, for they have been reported missing by their closest family members …”20 It is, however, not correct that the date of birth is lacking for 60 per cent of the persons missing from Srebrenica. Among the people on the ICRC list reported to be missing from Srebrenica and related places, such as Potocari, the year of birth is lacking for nobody, the month of birth for 44.4 per cent and the day of birth for 46.5 per cent.21 Moreover, it is not at all surprising that the informants did not recall the exact date of birth during such traumatic circumstances.

· Missing persons who vote: “On the list of 3,016 missing persons officially recorded in the registers of the International Red Cross, the names of 350 persons whose identity has been established with certainty appear on the electoral list of September 1996.”22 There was, however, no registration of voters as such for the 1996 elections, instead the 1991 Census was used23. Thus, it hardly surprising that many missing people were found on the “list of voters”, i.e. the 1991 Census. We would expect that almost all of these would be found on the Census list, but because the Centre only compared names beginning with letters A-K, and only records with complete information on both lists (about 1/2 on each list), only a fraction (about 1/8) would be expected to be found. In fact, we estimated the expected number of such matches with the Census list to be 360, which is almost identical to the actual number of 350 claimed by the Centre. This supports our conclusion that the Research Centre did their comparison of the ICRC list with the 1991 Census - and not with a list of voters registered after the fall of Srebrenica.

· Radovan Karadzic, my defence: In the book Radovan Karadzic, my defence[24] it is claimed that several persons reported as missing on the ICRC list also appear on the Voters’ list. The book lists only 17 persons by name, claimed to be "picked out at random" of a total of 3,016 "dead men from Srebrenica who are at the same time put on the official roll for the elections in the Srebrenica municipality!" Eleven of the 17 names are found on either the 1997 or the 1998 Voters' list, but when the date of birth and ID number of these were checked with Census records, it became obvious that none of the persons mentioned in the book can be identical to persons on the Voters' list, i.e. they are different people. This corroborates our finding about the very limited fraud using Srebrenica names to register for voting.

· People on the missing list who died from natural causes: It is argued that the names of 76 persons on the ICRC list were Muslims killed in previous combat operations or who died from natural causes, and were buried at the cemetery of Kazani between 1992 and early 1995 25. We did not, however, find any of these names on the ICRC list with the same or approximately the same date of birth.

20 Report submitted to the Tribunal by the “Law Projects Center Yugoslavia”, Belgrade, on 30.06.1998.
21 In our list of 7,481 Srebrenica-related missing persons the date of birth is missing for 24.5 per cent.
22 “Centre of Research into War Crimes Committed Against the Serbian People”, Belgrade, in a report called “Les Disparus qui Votent” (missing persons who vote). The report was submitted to ICTY on 13 April 1999 by Marie Mattei.
23 Letters from OSCE to ICTY dated 17 September and 29 October 1999.
24 Dejan Lukic, Radovan Karadzic, My Defence, ETNOS. ISBN 86-431-0046-6. Place and time of publishing not given.
25 Report provided by Professor Ivanisevic. The report was submitted to ICTY on 13 April 1999 by Marie Mattei.»

Опровержения вполне исчерпывающие, по-моему. Да и кстати показано, откуда именно происходит этот тухлый мэм про 3000 голосов мертвых - из биографии Караждича.
Весь доклад составляет всего 14 страниц и там подробно описывается, как составлялись списки, и как именно эти эксперты проверяли их валидность. Полезно ознакомиться - там обсуждаются и утверждения о том, что в списки занесли живых, и многое другое.

Report on the Number of Missing and Dead from Srebrenica
By Helge Brunborg and Henrik Urdal
стр. 9

Думаю, после этого читать книгу Дорина не стоит. Коли она состряпана из такой тухлятины, то ясно, что там процент вранья зашкаливает, а Дорин уже 14 лет занимается догматическим негационизмом, а не исследованием проблемы.

Вопрошателей часто путают с отрицателями, п.ч. последние как стервятники готовы воспользоваться любым самым маленьким фактиком, если он созвучен их центральному тезису - отрицанию события как такового.

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